Saturday, December 08, 2007

Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Mans Chest


Dir: Gore Verbinksi

There's one thing really bugs me about the 'Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Mans Chest'. It isn't the curse of Davy Jones or the power of the goddess Calypso with her maelstrom or the half fish half men crew of the Flying Dutchman or the whole pirate court thing. All that fits nicely into the internal logic of the tale. No, what bothers me is this:


The ship in the middle, named Endeavour, is a triple decker (which actually means four gun decks). I count 45 gun ports in the top image, that makes it, without counting bow and stern chasers, or the upper deck cannons, at least 90 guns and thus a second rate ship-of-the-line ( a first rate would have 100+ guns). This is the bad guy's ship and the bad guy is the leader of the East India Company. Now, its a known fact that the EIC were not shy about using military methods to get what they wanted, but to go from hired armies in India where man power was easy to be had, to building and maintaining a second rate ship-of-the-line stretches my incredulity to the point of indignation.

That that warship is then dispatched by two pirate ships is unforgivable. Pirate ships were usually sloops, brigantines or captured traders fitted with a gun deck. Pirates seldom if ever got into battles because the whole purpose of piracy was to avoid the authorities whilst preying on fat merchants who couldn't defend themselves. In the film, the Flying Dutchman and the Black Pearl appear to be over decorated frigates, that is to say they are war ships which have a single gun deck with smaller guns on the upper deck (thats a 28 gun frigate in the title image for my blog). Expanding our magnanimous nature to allow the script writer the benefit of the doubt, this would give them perhaps 28 guns each, only half of which they can bring to bear given the nature of the broadside battery.

Thus, the pirates can bring some 28 guns and perhaps as many carronades to bear on a ship that towers above them, has a crew of 750 trained men and marines (you don't operate a second rate without a full crew) and can bring 90 guns and probably 40 carronades and swivel guns to bear. The conclusion in the film flies in the face of logic. In reality, the ship-of-the-line would cripple both pirates on its first pass, yet the ship-of-the-line is not only destroyed instantly, its crew flee's in panic and its magazine then explodes, yet miraculously failing to generate an explosion big enough to destroy the two pirate ships. Pedantic perhaps you might say, "the audience knows no better. Who cares?"

Well I do! In reality the Flying Dutchman was not a warship. No private company ever had the means to maintain a ship-of-the-line, and certainly not a second rate. Pirates never had frigates and seldom even a crew big enough to fight a frigate (to fight a frigate you needed at least 200 men), and worst of all two frigates could never hope to tackle a second rate ship-of-the-line and if by some miracle they did manage to ignite the powder magazine on such a war ship the resulting explosion would instantly obliterate all three ships.

Apart from that the film was great. Cap'n Jack FTW!!!



Incidently and sligtly related. Oleg and I ran some Napoleonic naval skirmish battles on thursday and both were interesting. The first battle saw the British win by firing one volley. Thats all it took to defeat the French admiral and cause the rest of the French fleet to flee. Our fastest war game ever.

The second battle was a more prolonged event which featured multiple ships-of-the-line, including a French first rate. Both sides had 2 sloops, 5 frigates and then a line of battle. The British had four ships and the French had three. The French first rate however proved to be an absolute combat monster. With three superior batteries and two flanking ships-of-the-line each adding a battery, the French despite being one ship down, out gunned the British by 5 batteries to 4. If anything this game helped to increase my outrage at the miserable sight of two pirate ships tackling a ship-of-the-line.

5 comments:

brando said...

This made me laugh out loud.

"...building and maintaining a second rate ship-of-the-line stretches my incredulity to the point of indignation."

Fish people?

Check.

Flipping a ship upside down to go to dead-world, and a marriage while fighting in a massive whirlpool, after someone turns into a giant?

Check.

Two little ships destroying a big ship in one pass?

Outrage!


There was this crappy movie a while back called The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. They had a vampire, Dr. Jeykel, the invisible man, Tom Sawer, Capt Nemo, and a bunch of other stuff all rolled into one film. I have no problem with any of that. Sure. Go nuts. There was this one point where there's a speeding car, and someone jumped out, and landed all cool-like. He didn't fall down or nothing. No inertia. For some reason I found that terribly insulting? I don't know how vampires work, so I have no frame of reference. But I sure know what getting off of a moving vehicle is like. Is is sure isn't like that.

At least have him dive into some boxes or water or something. Heck, just say it's "magic" even. I'll believe it.

moif said...

I saw that film and I vaguely remember the jumping from the car scene. Thats the sort of thing that ruins decent cgi. Yes, it looks photrealistic, but you can't claim realism when your showing something that defies physical reality without an explained internal logic.

I see this sort of lazy thinking in films all the time. Most espcially in moving scenes where the characters are moving and reacting to quickly to be human. George Lucas is a fiend for this kind of hyperspeed reactions. The speeder bike chase on Endor springs immediteley to mind. The camera was moving far too fast to be realistic in that scene so my mind just refused to accept it.

Its as if when given a special effects budget, directors lose any sense of proportion or moderation.

Anonymous said...

"Crossing the T" and raking fire down the length of the target ship may even the odds a bit, if the attacking ships were tall enough...

Tricky maneouvre though... and the cannons would need to be mounted high enough.

Anonymous said...

LOL at brando's comments.

moif, I'm actually quite surprised that you didn't remark upon the stunning revelation that the sailing ships were moving in opposite directions. As far as I know, wind moves in one direction (local eddies aside). That first screen cap shows the Dutchman's sails fully furled in one direction with the pirates' ships in the opposite direction.

moif said...

Actually I had noticed this, but if you take note of the sails on the pirate ships, they are sailing across the wind, and since thay are moving past the Endeavour, I have assumed they have the weather gauge.

Of course, the whole situation is confounded by the presence of Calypso who is manipulating the weather to her own ends.